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mike falconer User is Offline
Wilsonville oregon


05/24/2008 2:45 PM Alert 

Although I had planned to install a second battery in the rear of my disco to run my new Engel and whatever else strikes my fancy, it doesn't look like I'm going to get it done before the Steens trip.

Am I taking any chances of draining my main battery by leaving the Engel plugged in all the time? I'm told that they draw very little, but I havn't actually asked any one who uses one.


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Todd Eliason User is Offline
Nights who say Ni, in Sherwood


05/24/2008 4:03 PM Alert 
You should be fine as you'll be running the truck much of the days. Plus you have a lot of buddies to give you a jump. Maybe bring some jumper cables JIK.

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Peter Carey User is Offline
Clinton, WA


05/24/2008 4:49 PM Alert 

You WILL be fine as you'll drive the truck every day. Even if you left it on all day and didn't drive the truck, with a normal battery you'll be ok. I have a pair of jumper cables but you won't need to use them because of the fridge on this trip. Around day three on normal fridge setting is where you should turn over your truck. BTW here's some math I came up with. In this example I do NOT pretend to be an electrical expert and I'm taking a linear approach to voltage drop which I KNOW is wrong, but I'm simple:

- 70 amp hour battery topped off.
- Engel draws about 2 amps when on
- I estimate it would stay on for about 8 hours in 24 under 75F conditions with normal use. This is a loose estimate. A cooler bag for it does help lessen this number
- So in a day it'll draw off about 16 amp hours.
- It'll take you all of 11 minutes of running your truck with a 85amp alternator to put that day's use back into the battery.

Now that's real rough, but it's also my reason for not requiring a second battery. Just run your truck for a bit each day and you're gold. If you are worried, just get an inline amp and volt meter. I think there is one for the fridge some place that will actually shut off the feed to the fridge if the battery is too low. And it can warn you when the temp in the fridge is too high, covering both bases. but that might have just been in one of my dreams....with Morgan Fairchild, yeah......


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Peter Carey User is Offline
Clinton, WA


05/24/2008 5:08 PM Alert 

Another point.  If you were to be in one spot for long, it'd be lighter to carry a small 20W or more solar panel.  I have one that weighs a pound.  On a really sunny day in the summer, you can expect about 8 truly useful hours of sun.  Most panels and systems are about 90% efficient in a DC->DC application.  Going on those assumptions,

20W in a 12V system = 1.6amps into the battery for 8 hours = 12.8amp hours back into the battery.   Even at 4 hours of full sun, you're doing well enough.

Get a nicer 62W model like this one and expect about 4 amps each hour of use, That whole 16 amp hour draw can be put back in with 4 hours of full sun. 

Or you can idle your engine for 10-20 minutes and be done.


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Morris Yarnell User is Offline
Suquamish


05/24/2008 5:22 PM Alert 

I run my ARB fridge on the solitary spare battery with a solar panel to juice it up, needs sun though. Haven't been getting much of that lately.

In the desert with sun all day long I am very confident in the single battery keeping the fridge going very smoothly with the solar panel for backup. My spare is not hooked to the generator, only the solar panel. If you are  going to be running the vehicle you should be ok. Those of you with a double battery are sure to be ok.

I have got to figure a way to charge the spare when there is no sun.

Cheers,

Morris

mike falconer User is Offline
Wilsonville oregon


05/24/2008 6:32 PM Alert 
Well, thank you all for the informed replies. Having to add a second battery in a hurry was not what I wanted to be doing.
I think, given more time, that I will eventually add one to power other equipment, mainly video stuff, but that's in the future.
In truth, my real worry was not so much ending up with a dead battery, but more about the possibility of the beer getting warm. Survival in the desert is all about hydration and having to drink warm beer to stay alive...well...I just don't want to go there.

"Some people say I have a problem because I drink hydraulic brake fluid. But I can stop any time I want."
Peter Carey User is Offline
Clinton, WA


05/25/2008 1:52 PM Alert 
I'll officially be responsible for drinking any warm beer you may have. If your fridge becomes unplugged by 'accident' .....

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Corey Tando User is Offline


05/29/2008 10:48 AM Alert 

I have ran my ARB fridge (same as the Engel) for four days at  my home without the rig being started.
When I did go to start it, it fired right up.

I do have a second battery though just in case, but have not had to use it yet.

Tony Sims User is Offline
Beaverton, Oregon


05/29/2008 12:40 PM Alert 
For the low, low price of one beer per day, I will keep an eye on Peter so there are no 'accidents'...

Tony
'92 County "Thirsty"

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