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Peter SchuldtUser is Offline
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31 Oct 2009 12:17 PM  
So with every one on the list getting their licence this winter we will need to buy radios. Would the Hams on the list please post the Tranciver - Antenna combos, and any other equipment they or their friends have and what is good and bad about it. Personaly I am going to buy a hand held (HT in Ham Geek) and shell out for a good mobile antenna. I am saving money and waiting for a real good deal on a mobile unit. I only speek a little "Ham Geek" so reading all the brocures and reviews does not yet translate into how well particular units work in the field.
 


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31 Oct 2009 01:21 PM  
ditto that. I want to know what I should buy and why. I will pay for better equipment if it really helps me. Range and Antennas are what I am most concerned with. Any good rig mounting systems? hand held seems nice but worried about quality?


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31 Oct 2009 03:34 PM  
Yaesu VX-5R Handheld
Diamond 770 NR770HB antenna
Mirage BD-35 Amplifier

My primary setup is the handheld radio. I can use it alone most of the time when I want to talk simplex to another vehicle in a group. I've also used it on backpacking trips. It has a stubby antenna, so it isn't bad to use in the car.

In the event, I want to make longer range communications, I plug it into the Mirage amplifier. This will get me approximately 45 watts in 2 meter. It is a little less than ideal since the battery has to be charged in the handheld even when communicating through the amp. Also, it is awkward since the cable to the amp is connected to the antenna jack.

Eventually I'll get either a small 2 meter mobile radio or the Yaesu 857 HF radio and bring the handheld along for hiking or backup use.


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31 Oct 2009 04:02 PM  

I have two:

Kenwood D710a - dual bander (two radios in one) w/ integrated APRS including email/messaging.  I can talk on one of the built in radios while APRS runs on the other radio.  Very good and clear documentation.  Very easy to use radio.  Free PC programming software.  Negatives include:  Large faceplate is hard to mount discreetly, handset LED color can't be changed from amber (even if headunit is set to green).  Super easy to integrate with the new APRS functionality in Overland Navigator.  Great radio, I strongly recommend everyone in our group get this radio.  It is perfect for what we do.

Icom 2720h - Late model w/o the problems of the early units.  dual bander (2 radios in one).  I like the small faceplate and ergonomics of the handset.  Lot's of options for where to plug the handset in makes it easy to install.  If you have a Tiny Tracker 4 or similar device you can talk on the main band while the sub-band is used to silently transmit/receive your position via APRS.  You can't do APRS email/messaging w/o a separate computer running something like UIView though.  There are no named presets - frequencies only.  This radio does the job, but as a hobby the D710a is WAY easier and WAY more fun.

In general, I encourage everyone to pick a dual bander that allows you to talk on one side and do APRS on the other side.  Other uses of the second side are to monitor a repeater, listen to a weather forecast, or talk to someone else while still monitoring the group.

Craig



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31 Oct 2009 05:44 PM  

i have the yaesu VX-8 HT. i like it alot. it is water proof and shock proof so i am not worried about it breaking on the trail. i was happy with its range. obviously doesnt do as well as a mobile with a good antenna but that is to be expected. i have the external mic and gps antenna for it, this makes it more conveniant to use while driving. i have not used the APRS yet. i also am not sure if it will connect with a computer and push the APRS data to it. maybe this could be the subject of a class/trail run? if some one who is smart in this stuff does the tahuya run we could maybe make a class out of it?



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31 Oct 2009 05:54 PM  
Terrance, in regards to the range of a handheld, you would be surprised what kind of range you can get if you hook it up to an external antenna. When I first got my license, I setup an nice Diamond antenna on one of my roofrails and had the antenna connected to the handheld with the standard coax and an adapter so it could connect directly to the antenna Jack on the handheld.

I had no problems hitting repeaters that were 50+ miles away with the 5 watts of the handheld. The most important part of a ham setup is the antenna.


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31 Oct 2009 07:36 PM  
Terrance,

Look in the manual. To hook up a radio to a GPS/Overland Navigator it needs to support NMEA0183 output of the $GPWPL or $PKWDWPL sentences. If you want to have full blown APRS on a computer with UIView or another desktop GIS program then it needs to support full blown APRS output (which it most likely does). Geeky, but those are the terms you want to look for in the APRS section.

Post the manuals for your radio as an attachment in another thread and I'll take a look. Since I'm adding some APRS support to Overland Navigator I have a keen interest in knowing what the various radios support.

Craig


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31 Oct 2009 09:46 PM  

mike you make a good point. a cheep radio with a good antenna will out perform an expensive raido with a junky antenna any day. i have an old alinco set up in my rig, havnt had a chance to run the antenna yet. i used my ht on the run because i didnt have the antenna up.

Craig, i will do a quick search for the paper work for my radio and start a thread for it. all those terms are greek to me at the moment. i tend to learn better when some one can translate the owners manual into something i can understand and while they are explaining it i can apply it. thanks for the things i need to look for, im going to see now if it will work.



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01 Nov 2009 09:11 PM  
Here are the responses I got from the PCRC list.
1)I am a fan of Icom units and locally made Larson antennas. I wish there was A U S made unit to use but the Toyota generation of consumers crushed any pride in Us made goods.
I roll with a Icom IC 208h in both my 1988 Range Rover classic and my 1965 SIIA 88. In the spring I Intend to install a third Icom in my 101 Forward control.
2)I was using an Icom IC-2200 with limited success. The radio worked great, with clear signal and transmit, but dust rapidly gets in the microphone and the push to talk stops working. Frustrating to say the least. Additionally, after 3 years of vibration and dust on gravel roads, the display also stopped working. I sent an inquiry to Icom and they replied that the IC-2200 was not designed for extreme conditions, like anything outside your basement. I don't think I will be buying an Icom product again.
I have replaced the Icom with a Yaesu FT2900R, and I am already impressed with the quality feel of the radio, but I haven't used it much yet.
With both radios I am using a Larsen 5/8 antenna. It is a little long, but it works great.
3)Ditto #2's experience. On our last two Oregon outings to dusty, hot climes, the mics stopped working. I have an Icom 208H dual band and other than the mic it’s a pretty good radio. The ham club here on Vashon thinks the Yaesu’s are just about indestructible. If you’re doing any driving around in town, a dual band might be a good idea, but not a must. The longer antennas are a good idea.
4)The Kenwood D700 is pretty good,dual band, APRS and no problems with dust,vibrations etc. Rock Solid.
5)The difference is not in the brand of radio, but in the standard to build the radio. If you purchase a radio that is built to the MILSPEC standard it will have a higher tolerance to dust and moisture. Both Icom and Yaesu make some of their radios to the MILSPEC standard, but not all, and you will certainly pay a higher price for a MILSPEC radio. If dust is an issue for a mic, you can certainly get a different mic, if you like the features of the radio. I used my Icom hand held (HT)for ski patrol and SAR missions for over five years without any problems and snowboarding with a hand held strapped to your chest and a mic on your jacket doesn't get much rougher or wetter. I have several Icom radios and the one really big advantage is that if you need any service, their headquarters and service facility is in Bellevue.
I would highly recommend a dual band with at least several hundred pre-sets and the ability to program it via computer. Actually, for the typical usage you are going to encounter, the Kenwood D-710 comes to mind. It's a bit pricey, but several club members have them or the previous model the D-700. It has a great set of features including the use of APRS without any additional equipment. If you don't want to spend that much money, I would look at an Alinco DR-635T. Any radio you get is going to need occasional adjustment and maintenance, whether it sits on a shelf in your house or mounted to your rig.
One last bit of advice: Don't buy older rigs from a hamvention or craiglslist unless you know what you are getting. The price might be right, but you might be left longing for more very quickly.





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02 Nov 2009 07:11 AM  
Here is another PRCR member with some thoughts on APRS
I've had good luck with an Alinco DR-135 with an aftermarket OpenTracker 2 APRS board (instead of the optional packet board from Alinco). Mine is mounted to the top center console, connected to a 1/4 wave mag mount antenna routed through the sunroof. I ran a dedicated, fused 12V power circuit from the battery through a passenger side plug in the firewall. This brought me out behind the glove box, and I was able to run the power wires up the trim on the passenger side of the windshield to get up to the console.
I've been lucky and had no leaks at the sunroof (apparently, a potential problem on the Disco's even without a piece of coax sticking through). I've had it mounted that way since late 2006.
Off road, I've had the mag mount knocked off by low branches a couple times. I like the idea of keeping the antenna in the center of the ground plane. I was nervous about a hard mount in the center of the roof... especially when the antenna does find a low branch occasionally. Of course, if you are carrying gear on the roof (or a roof rack), you'll have to move it off center anyway.
I did rig up a simple mount to hang the mic from the radio bracket that has worked well, even off road. I'd recommend machine screws and "nylock" nuts instead of screws to mount the bracket to the overhead console... the screws I started with held up for quite a while but eventually worked loose.
I like having APRS capability of this setup, but not sure how much it is used in the club. If we start using it much, I'd recommend a radio that lets you run APRS simultaneous with voice on another frequency... that would NOT be the Alinco (at least, the model I'm using). I chose the Alinco for the ability to put the OT2-135 tracker inside the radio... just hook it up to a GPS and it works. That tracker is tightly integrated with SOME models of the Garmin Nuvi GPS, and some of the Garmin handhelds to show other stations and their tracks on a live map. But beware... it doesn't like the 6xx and 7xx Nuvi's (these Nuvi's do support APRS messaging, but have issues displaying other station positions; they work fine for SENDING APRS position reports). It can also be connected to a laptop with APRS software (Xastir with topographic maps loaded would be a good choice), but I haven't played with a good way to set up a laptop for mobile operation. The biggest downside of my configuration is not being able to run APRS at the same time as voice on simplex or a repeater. I would personally rank having dual same band receivers above the dual band support (I haven't used 440 much, but do use 2m for local repeaters, simplex on PCRC runs, and APRS). I know some of the dual band radios will support letting you run both receivers in the same band, but that would be something to check on specific models.
The only issue I've had with the Alinco mobile is that the screen can be difficult to read off-angle. But speaker audio is good, and it is a 50W radio that seems to give me good range and is holding up well.


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03 Nov 2009 09:22 AM  

 like the Diamond NR770HB radio attached to the hood lip with a K400 mount.  My present radio is a IC207a.  This replaces the IC706MKIIG/Tarheel combination that I recently removed and sold.

The faceplate for the 207a mounts on the holder I fabricated for the 706's face.  It sits directly above the rearview mirror. this location allows me to quickly glance up and see what frequency I'm on without having to take my eyes off the road for too long.  I am attaching an older pic of the 706 in place to give you an idea of what I am talking about.

My NEXT radio will be a Kenwood system just like Craig Miller's.  I want to be able to replicate what he is doing.  Besides, it give me another good reason to use his software .

As an aside, I'd like everyone to question the reason for purchasing a dualband radio.  How often are you guys on the west side really using 440?  I think I've made less than a dozen contacts on that band in almost 30 years of hamming. 


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03 Nov 2009 10:29 AM  
Dale, I don't think that 440 is the primary reason that most people get a dual band radio. Like you, I very rarely, if ever, use 440. However, if you look at most of the 2 meter only radios, they are usually a really basic radio without a detachable faceplate. If you want a detachable faceplate and some programability, APRS, etc. you are stuck getting 440 as well.


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03 Nov 2009 11:31 AM  

 I have a Yaesu FT-2800 FM Transceiver with a hatch mounted Comet sbb1-nmo antenna and also a Larsen 5/8 whip.  It is only 2m but it is very rugged and gets surprisingly good reception from a long distance.  I believe this is the one that the military uses.  I use the short comet antenna most of the time but when I am out in open areas, like Death Valley, I use the whip.  Although I did lose the whip going through some brush in Death Valley.  The nice thing about the Larsen is that you can just buy the whip and not the entire antenna to replace what is broken.  I mounted the transciever to the roof of my land cruiser and that seems to work very well and it won't get flooded out if I get stuck in the middle of a river.  

forum.ih8mud.com/electronic-toys/145444-2m-radio-mounted-overhead-fj60.html#post2992561

 


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03 Nov 2009 02:27 PM  

Dale the term "Daul Bander" has 2 meanings that confused me when I was purchasing too.

Meaning 1. Ability for a single radio to tune in one frequency at a time but from either the 2 meter or 440 cm portions of the spectrum (bands).
Meaning 2. Ability for a single radio to tune in and transmit to two different frequencies at the same time. D700, D710, IC2720h, IC2820h, etc.

Note that some radios make this even more confusing by being able to tune in/listen to multiple frequencies but are not able to transmit on the sub-band. Others can receive and transmit, but when the sub-band transmits it interrupts the main band (that you are talking on). There are various other quirks that need to be looked at as well.
 

In this thread, and the replies from the PCRC were all focused on the idea of having two radios in one.

Craig



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03 Nov 2009 06:58 PM  

Thanks for the clarification Craig.  BTW, the IC207 and I would imagine 208 heads are so light that I just used sticky backed Velcro (TM) to hold it to the mounting plate.  Works FB.

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03 Nov 2009 07:29 PM  
x2, I used double sided super sticky velcro for my Icom 2720h headunit as well. Makes it easy to pull out and stash in my locking drawers when hiking.


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10 Jan 2010 08:56 PM  
For my first radio I'm thinking of something like the Yaesu FT-2900R. I'll need to set it up to go in either truck, but I'll figure out how to do that later.

http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/8281

It seems like a good basic radio with good reviews. Nothing special, just (hopefully) robustly made for a good price. I sold a camera lens today, so I've got $80 hidden away towards more Rover gear for the coming summer months.

I'm wondering if any of you know of a mobile like that which also RX's in the civil aviation bands? I sold my aviation transceiver a few years back, and I wish I at least had a scanner now to listen in, so I thought I saw that a few of the 2m radios have aviation bands in the receiver side.

Also, have any of you bought from Ham Radio Outlet? There is a store in Portland, so I'd probably go there to save on shipping and to get the hands-on I need before buying.


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11 Jan 2010 08:39 AM  

I am impressed with Craig's setup and the patience required to install and operate that equipment. Unfortunately I am not anywhere near that patient so I ended up with something more basic.

RADIOS - After earning my Technician License I purchased a used Icom IC-706MKIIG for our pickup, the rig we use in remote areas. The MKIIG is a multi-band HF/VHF/UHF radio, and although I did not possess a license for HF the bands were available in case of emergency. It's tough hitting a repeater from the Owyhee River canyons, but you can usually find someone out there on HF. Anyway, the MKIIG was easier for me to program than the Yaesu FT-857D, so I went with the Icom. I have since purchased a total of 3 used and/or rebuilt MKIIG's, 2 installed in vehicles and the other used as a base station. After Technician I followed up with a General License then Extra and I use the 706 for HF as well as 2/70 at my home base. I also have 2 - Yaesu FT7800R VHF/UHF dual banders, one in my wife's car and the other at the base station. The base station 7800 was originally mounted in our backroads vehicle, but I replaced it with a 706.

ANTENNAS - I installed a Larsen 5/8 wave 2/70 NMO with the spring-like coil in the center and mounted it on the front fender. I also purchased Hamsticks for 10, 20, 40 and 75 meters, placed a mounting bracket on the winch mount and stored them in a pvc tube until they were needed. At a later date I bought a Comet CSB790A high-gain VHF/UHF antenna that I use in place of the Larsen in wide open areas. While on the trail the Comet is stored in the PVC tube with the Hamsticks and a 5' CB antenna.

OBSERVATIONS - I really like the Icom IC-706MKIIG, it's simple, easy to program and accepts some neat HF filters. But, it does have some drawbacks. It only offers 105 memory channels. You can store all of the allocated 2-meter frequencies, leaving room for only 25 of the available 70 centimeter frequencies (there are lots of 440 repeaters in the Seattle area). Also, the MKIIG is capable of only 20 watts on 440, but I must say that while in the Owyhee's I hit a 50-mile-distant UHF repeater in Nevada on 20 watts. Our pickup has enough room for the MKIIG, an Icom AT-180 Antenna Tuner (for HF) and a Cobra 148GTL CB radio stacked one above the other so size is not a problem for us, but it could be a deciding factor in other vehicles.

The Yaseu FT-7800R (now 7900R) offers a huge number of memories for an inexpensive radio, but it is an absolute nightmare to program...at least in my opinion. So I use a Freeth software program when making permanent changes to the radio. The FT-7800/FT-7900 radios are small and probably the least expensive of all dual banders. We have a 7800 mounted in my wife's car with a separated face plate to save space and our's is programmed to scan 78 two-meter frequencies without duplication of tones and 70 - 440 frequencies without duplication of tones.

In my opinion the Larsen 2/70 NMO is a piece of junk. But, to be fair to Larsen, I think most ham antennas are junk. For the most part they are flimsy and in some cases barely able to support themselves on a calm day. I have bent the Larsen every-which-way from Friday and sooner or later it will break like a coat hanger that is bent too often. Actually, materials in the Larsen remind me of a coat hanger! And talk about snagging leaves and small branches in that spring! I might buy a Firestick 2M-4, fiberglass, 5/8 wave 2-meter antenna for the back country, but it is only a single-band antenna. Good enough for our local trips when everyone is on 2-meters.

So that's my story and I'm sticking....er, ah...stuck with it.



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11 Jan 2010 09:30 AM  
Jerry,

Why do you feel that the MKIIG is easier to install or operate than a Kenwood D710a?

Craig


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11 Jan 2010 02:27 PM  
Craig, I'll give you my opinion on the topic. I've been debating whether or not to get a HF radio like the Icom 706 or the Yaesu 857 or a dual bander like the Kenwood D710a. Installing the HF radios are really simple. Mount the radio under the seat run a wire from the radio to the remote faceplate and that's about it.

The 710a isn't any more difficult to install, but once you get into APRS (which is the primary reason anyone would buy it in the first place), things get more complicated. Now you have to install a GPS of some sort and install some sort of video screen and the accompanying wiring, assuming that the GPS itself isn't doing that job as well. Those 2 added steps just complicate it to the point where I wonder if the benefits outweigh the added complexity.

I'm leaning towards using a HF radio and carrying a screwdriver antenna for HF and mounting it when needed.


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